Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #4618

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #4612

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Und neulich wollte hier noch jemand ueber eine faktische Wahrheit, also was "progressives", das kotzen kriegen. :-)

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Okay, da kriegen auch Nicht-Progressive das Kotzen. Und das ganz ohne Smiley.

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #4626

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #4618

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #4612

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Und neulich wollte hier noch jemand ueber eine faktische Wahrheit, also was "progressives", das kotzen kriegen. :-)

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Okay, da kriegen auch Nicht-Progressive das Kotzen. Und das ganz ohne Smiley.

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Das ist übrigens die progressive Variante. Ich hoffe, Willie, du kriegst auch hier das Kotzen (so wie ich).
https://www.achgut.com/artikel/was_ist_s...enschen_sterben

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Brechfest.

Boris Johnson postpones local elections until 2021
Boris Johnson has suspended the local government and mayoral elections for 12 months following guidance from the Electoral Commission.

The Prime Minister has confirmed that the polls will now not take place until May 2021, amid fears that they would have coincided with the peak of the coronavirus outbreak.

The London mayoral election will also be delayed for a year.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/202...th-coronavirus/

Yesterday Boris Johnson stood in front of the worlds TV cameras and basically told us that his Government weren't going take the sensible preventative measures that other countries have to prevent the spread of Covid 19.
Instead we were informed that we were going to be subjected to some batshit crazy social Darwinist experiment (no doubt cooked up by his personal psychopath Dominic Cummings) that meant we all have to catch the illness and accept that lots of our elderly or sick relatives will die as collateral.

..and we can all guess why he's done that can't we?

Money over people - it's the bastard Tory way every time.

WR

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Why Britain’s Coronavirus Strategy is Literally One of the Most Insane Things in Modern History
Britain’s Government Wants People to Get Coronavirus. LOL — What The?

I know: it’s a big claim. “One of the most insane ideas in modern history?” He can’t be serious! You, my friend, can be the judge.
You’ve heard, by now, of America’s bizarre, dismal lack of a response to Coronavirus. But Britain’s lack of a response is even crazier. Yes, really. America’s not responding because it’s a broken society with no public goods: it can’t. But Britain’s not responding because it doesn’t think it should — a conclusion reached by one of the most surreal cocktails of arrogance, pseudoscience, and crackpot punditry the modern world has ever seen. ...
https://eand.co/why-britains-coronavirus...ry-45c755f1db2d

Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #4632

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Why Britain’s Coronavirus Strategy is Literally One of the Most Insane Things in Modern History
Britain’s Government Wants People to Get Coronavirus. LOL — What The?

I know: it’s a big claim. “One of the most insane ideas in modern history?” He can’t be serious! You, my friend, can be the judge.
You’ve heard, by now, of America’s bizarre, dismal lack of a response to Coronavirus. But Britain’s lack of a response is even crazier. Yes, really. America’s not responding because it’s a broken society with no public goods: it can’t. But Britain’s not responding because it doesn’t think it should — a conclusion reached by one of the most surreal cocktails of arrogance, pseudoscience, and crackpot punditry the modern world has ever seen. ...
https://eand.co/why-britains-coronavirus...ry-45c755f1db2d

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #4633

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #4632

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Why Britain’s Coronavirus Strategy is Literally One of the Most Insane Things in Modern History
Britain’s Government Wants People to Get Coronavirus. LOL — What The?

I know: it’s a big claim. “One of the most insane ideas in modern history?” He can’t be serious! You, my friend, can be the judge.
You’ve heard, by now, of America’s bizarre, dismal lack of a response to Coronavirus. But Britain’s lack of a response is even crazier. Yes, really. America’s not responding because it’s a broken society with no public goods: it can’t. But Britain’s not responding because it doesn’t think it should — a conclusion reached by one of the most surreal cocktails of arrogance, pseudoscience, and crackpot punditry the modern world has ever seen. ...
https://eand.co/why-britains-coronavirus...ry-45c755f1db2d

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Bei 70% Durchseuchung wird sich die Seuche vermutlich totlaufen. Der Trick ist, das kontrolliert zu erreichen. Das ist letztlich auch hier der Ansatz, ein kontrolliertes Abbrennen.

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #4634

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #4633

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #4632

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Why Britain’s Coronavirus Strategy is Literally One of the Most Insane Things in Modern History
Britain’s Government Wants People to Get Coronavirus. LOL — What The?

I know: it’s a big claim. “One of the most insane ideas in modern history?” He can’t be serious! You, my friend, can be the judge.
You’ve heard, by now, of America’s bizarre, dismal lack of a response to Coronavirus. But Britain’s lack of a response is even crazier. Yes, really. America’s not responding because it’s a broken society with no public goods: it can’t. But Britain’s not responding because it doesn’t think it should — a conclusion reached by one of the most surreal cocktails of arrogance, pseudoscience, and crackpot punditry the modern world has ever seen. ...
https://eand.co/why-britains-coronavirus...ry-45c755f1db2d

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Bei 70% Durchseuchung wird sich die Seuche vermutlich totlaufen. Der Trick ist, das kontrolliert zu erreichen. Das ist letztlich auch hier der Ansatz, ein kontrolliertes Abbrennen.

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Ich wollte schon fragen, ob Willie die Erklärungen der Kanzlerin gehört hat. Mir erscheint das ein riskanter Ansatz. Noch problematischer erscheint es mir, Kapazitäten durch die Aufnahme kranker Migrantenkinder hierzulande zu binden. (Den Kindern sollte geholfen werden, aber vor Ort.)

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #4635

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #4634

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #4633

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #4632

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Why Britain’s Coronavirus Strategy is Literally One of the Most Insane Things in Modern History
Britain’s Government Wants People to Get Coronavirus. LOL — What The?

I know: it’s a big claim. “One of the most insane ideas in modern history?” He can’t be serious! You, my friend, can be the judge.
You’ve heard, by now, of America’s bizarre, dismal lack of a response to Coronavirus. But Britain’s lack of a response is even crazier. Yes, really. America’s not responding because it’s a broken society with no public goods: it can’t. But Britain’s not responding because it doesn’t think it should — a conclusion reached by one of the most surreal cocktails of arrogance, pseudoscience, and crackpot punditry the modern world has ever seen. ...
https://eand.co/why-britains-coronavirus...ry-45c755f1db2d

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Bei 70% Durchseuchung wird sich die Seuche vermutlich totlaufen. Der Trick ist, das kontrolliert zu erreichen. Das ist letztlich auch hier der Ansatz, ein kontrolliertes Abbrennen.

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Ich wollte schon fragen, ob Willie die Erklärungen der Kanzlerin gehört hat. Mir erscheint das ein riskanter Ansatz. Noch problematischer erscheint es mir, Kapazitäten durch die Aufnahme kranker Migrantenkinder hierzulande zu binden. (Den Kindern sollte geholfen werden, aber vor Ort.)

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Die Kinder an sich dürften das Gesundheitssystem eher weniger belasten, je jünger, desto besser. Es ist kein Personal da, dass man mal so eben noch Lesbos schicken kann, Spahn reaktiviert ja die Rentnergang, und Material auch nicht.

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How Britain’s Insanely Risky Coronavirus Experiment Will Affect the U.S.
One of the only European countries allowed to send flights to the U.S. has become a petri dish for coronavirus.

On Thursday, Boris Johnson delivered the most chilling warning from a British prime minister since Winston Churchill prepared the country for potential destruction during World War Two. “I must level with you,” Johnson said, looking like a man who had just emerged from a doctor’s office after receiving a terrible diagnosis. “Many more families are going to lose loved ones before their time.”

His message was stark, and somehow seemed to hit even harder coming from a man who has built his political career on flippant clownery. The novel coronavirus can no longer be contained in the United Kingdom, he said, and all that can be done now is to mitigate the worst effects of it to give the doctors and nurses in the country’s already creaking national health service a fighting chance to save as many lives as possible. ...

In point of fact, Britain is effectively encouraging a potentially deadly virus to spread to the majority of the people who live here. Remember, the U.K. is one of the only European countries which is still allowed to send flights to the United States under President Donald Trump’s travel ban. ...

... The strategy is based on science—but the entire British population is now effectively taking part in a mass untested experiment, and one which could result in the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.
Sixty percent of the British population is just under 40 million people. Even if Britain experiences a low mortality rate from the virus, that would lead to an expected 300,000 deaths. If the mortality rate is higher, such as in Italy, it’s not unthinkable that the number of deaths rises over a million. ...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/boris-john...for-coronavirus

We're about to learn a terrible lesson from coronavirus: inequality kills
Thanks to a decade of austerity, the Tories have ensured the pandemic will hit the poor the hardest
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...yIJH4UXGryxg_fY

UK to ban mass gatherings in coronavirus U-turn
Measure likely to come into effect next week after sporting bodies and others act unilaterally

Mass gatherings are to be banned across the UK from next weekend, the government has announced after Boris Johnson’s cautious approach to the coronavirus outbreak was overtaken by care homes, sporting bodies and even the Queen taking matters into their own hands.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/m...onavirus-u-turn

Coronavirus death toll in UK doubles in 24 hours
10 patients with underlying health conditions brought the total number of fatalities to 21
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/m...n-just-24-hours

Brexit will not be delayed by coronavirus, says Johnson
Spokesman says there are no plans to extend transition period beyond end of December

Boris Johnson is adamant the Brexit transition period will close at the end of December, despite the risk of the Covid-19 crisis disrupting negotiations, his spokesman has said.
Face-to-face talks which were to take place in London next week had been called off as a result of the outbreak, with officials exploring possible alternatives, such as video-conferencing.

When Johnson’s spokesman was asked whether the status quo transition period might need to be extended as a result, he said simply: “No”, then added: “In UK law, a request for an extension is not possible”.
When the government passed the EU withdrawal agreement in December, it added a commitment that the transition period would not be lengthened.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/202...us-says-johnson

Pence Announces New Travel Bans on United Kingdom and Ireland as Coronavirus Pandemic Spreads
At a White House press conference, Pence said travel restrictions on the UK and Ireland would be implemented from Monday.

Vice President Mike Pence said Saturday that new travel bans would be implemented on the United Kingdom and Ireland as the novel coronavirus pandemic spreads.

At a White House press conference, the vice president said the ban would take effect from midnight Monday, but that U.S. citizens and permanent residents would be allowed to return to the country through 13 airports. Pence also encouraged individuals returning from those countries to self-quarantine for two weeks.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pence-anno...andemic-spreads

UK ministers will no longer claim 'no successful examples' of Russian interference
Change of official line is first admission that Kremlin may have distorted UK elections

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2...an-interference

I’m an epidemiologist. When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire
Vulnerable people should not be exposed to Covid-19 right now in the service of a hypothetical future

When I first heard about this, I could not believe it. I research and teach the evolution and epidemiology of infectious disease at Harvard’s Chan School of Public Health. My colleagues here in the US, even as they are reeling from the stumbling response of the Donald Trump administration to the crisis, assumed that reports of the UK policy were satire – an example of the wry humour for which the country is famed. But they are all too real. ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...avirus-covid-19

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Großbritanniens Premier Johnson in der Coronakrise
Erst sorglos, dann kopflos
Die britische Regierung wollte bei der Corona-Bekämpfung alles anders machen als der Rest Europas. Dieser Plan ist gescheitert. Jetzt muss sich Boris Johnson der Wirklichkeit stellen.

Was für einen Unterschied in diesen Zeiten 72 Stunden machen. Noch am Donnerstagabend konnten die Briten ihren Premierminister Boris Johnson live bei einer nationalen Beschwichtigungsübung beobachten. Zwar sei es eine traurige Wahrheit, so der Konservative, dass viele in den kommenden Monaten "geliebte Menschen vor deren Zeit verlieren" würden. Aber dennoch sollten seine Landsleute "so weitermachen wie gewohnt". Für "drakonische" Maßnahmen, so Johnson, sei jetzt noch nicht die Zeit.

Drei Tage und 25 Todesfälle später sickerte dann im Stundentakt durch, wie drakonisch Johnsons Regierung ab sofort die Coronakrise eindämmen will: durch die Umwidmung von Hotels in Krankenhäuser, die Zwangsisolation älterer Menschen und den möglichen Ankauf von Ländereien, um rasch neue Friedhöfe ausweisen zu können.

Johnsons Lernkurve nahm damit einen ähnlichen Verlauf wie die der Virusinfektionen in seinem Land: Letzten Zählungen zufolge waren 35 Briten durch das Coronavirus gestorben und knapp 1400 infiziert - tatsächlich geht man in London von deutlich mehr Fällen aus. ...

... Tatsächlich ist der einst stolze National Health Service (NHS) nicht mal ansatzweise auf einen Massenansturm Lungenkranker vorbereitet. Nachdem er in den vergangenen zehn Jahren unter konservativen Regierungen finanziell ausgeblutet wurde, sind derzeit rund 100 000 Stellen unbesetzt. Im gesamten Königreich gibt es nur gut 4000 Betten auf Intensivstationen, und damit fünfmal weniger als in Deutschland. In der aktuellen Krise mussten sich zahllose Ärzte und Pflegekräfte ihre Atemschutzmasken selbst besorgen. ...

... Eines aber hat Johnson seinen Landsleuten vorsorglich schon mal versprochen: Der endgültige Brexit am 31. Dezember sei beschlossene Sache – und an diesem Zeitplan werde nicht gerüttelt.
Noch nicht.
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/c...ef-eb467f4253fc

UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'
Exclusive: Public Health England document seen by Guardian says four in five ‘expected’ to contract virus

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/m...9m-hospitalised

‘We’ve wasted a month’: Former public health chief issues furious condemnation of UK coronavirus response
‘I’m tearing my hair out really, with this ... We should have gotten a grip on this a month ago,’ says John Ashton

The former regional director of Public Health England has issued a furious condemnation what he described as the UK government’s “complacent” response to the coronavirus pandemic.
A visibly angry Professor John Ashton told BBC Newsnight the government should have started putting measures in place a month ago, and raised concerns hospitals would be overworked.
His comments come after Chancellor Rishi Sunak unveiled a £30bn stimulus package that included £12bn to tackle the issues caused by coronavirus - but did not impose measures to prohibit large public gatherings and social distancing that other countries including China and South Korea have used successfully.
“I’m tearing my hair out really, with this,” said Mr Ashton. “I’m very frustrated here. I’m with Richard Horton, the editor of the Lancet, and with Tedros [Adhanom], the director-general of the World Health Organisation — I think it was a kick up the bottom particularly for this country.

“We’ve got a complacent attitude, it feels wooden and academic, and we’ve wasted a month when we should have been engaging with the public.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho...5iSsZToI4TPTsZk

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Intenet Fund:

"Once the mortuary is full
And the old folks home lies empty
Once the homeless have all perished
And there’s toilet roll aplenty

Once the food banks are no more
And the plague is in retreat
Watch the happy politician
Take the praise for its defeat

He’ll praise the bulldog spirit
He’ll make mention of the blitz
He’ll say that in his brave new world
The vulnerable don’t fit

And many folk will raise a glass
And many folk will cheer

And other folk will realise
That Fascism is here."