#101

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 15:06
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

Prosecutors: 3 men plotted to terrorize Vegas protests
Three Nevada men with ties to a loose movement of right-wing extremists advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government have been arrested on terrorism-related charges in what authorities say was a conspiracy to spark violence during recent protests in Las Vegas.

Federal prosecutors say the three white men with U.S. military experience are accused of conspiring to carry out a plan that began in April in conjunction with protests to reopen businesses closed because of the coronavirus.
More recently, they sought to capitalize on protests over the death of George Floyd, a black man who died in Minneapolis after a white officer pressed his knee into his neck for several minutes even after he stopped moving and pleading for air, prosecutors said.

The three men were arrested Saturday on the way to a protest in downtown Las Vegas after filling gas cans at a parking lot and making Molotov cocktails in glass bottles, according to a copy of the criminal complaint obtained by The Associated Press.
“People have a right to peacefully protest. These men are agitators and instigators. Their point was to hijack the protests into violence,” Nicholas Trutanich, U.S. attorney in Nevada, told AP. He referred to what he called “real and legitimate outrage” over Floyd’s death.

The complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Las Vegas on Wednesday said they self-identified as part of the “boogaloo” movement, which U.S. prosecutors said in the document is “a term used by extremists to signify coming civil war and/or fall of civilization.” ...
https://apnews.com/6223153093f08fa910c4ab445771b773

Joint Terrorism Task Force Charges Three Men Who Allegedly Sought To Exploit Protests In Las Vegas And Incite Violence
https://www.justice.gov/usao-nv/pr/joint...it-protests-las



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#102

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 15:11
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

Gun-toting members of the Boogaloo movement are showing up at protests
Benjamin Ryan Teeter was at his home in Hampstead, N.C., when the call to action came. It was an alert from the heart of the raging protests in Minneapolis, posted on an online forum by a fellow member of the Boogaloo movement, a loosely knit group of heavily armed, anti-government extremists.

The "alert" was from a man who had a run-in with the Minneapolis police while on the frontline of the police-brutality protests set off by the death of George Floyd.
"He caught mace to the face," said Teeter, and "put out a national notice to our network."

After Teeter -- who goes by Ryan -- said he saw the online posting, he and a handful of other Boogaloo friends in the area mobilized.
They grabbed their guns -- mostly assault rifles -- hopped into their vehicles, and made the 18-hour trek to Minneapolis.

The Boogaloos are an emerging incarnation of extremism that seems to defy easy categorization. They are yet another confounding factor in the ongoing effort among local, state and federal officials to puzzle out the political sympathies of the agitators showing up to the mostly peaceful George Floyd rallies who have destroyed property, looted businesses, or -- in the case of the Boogaloos who descended on Minneapolis -- walked around the streets with assault rifles.

Boogaloo members appear to hold conflicting ideological views with some identifying as anarchists and others rejecting formal titles. Some pockets of the group have espoused white supremacy while others reject it. But they have at least two things in common: an affinity for toting around guns in public and a "boogaloo" rallying cry, which is commonly viewed as code for another US civil war. ...
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/03/us/bo...-protests-invs/


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#103

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 15:19
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

James Mattis Denounces President Trump, Describes Him as a Threat to the Constitution
In an extraordinary condemnation, the former defense secretary backs protesters and says the president is trying to turn Americans against one another.

James Mattis, the esteemed Marine general who resigned as secretary of defense in December 2018 to protest Donald Trump’s Syria policy, has, ever since, kept studiously silent about Trump’s performance as president. But he has now broken his silence, writing an extraordinary broadside in which he denounces the president for dividing the nation, and accuses him of ordering the U.S. military to violate the constitutional rights of American citizens.

“I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled,” Mattis writes. “The words ‘Equal Justice Under Law’ are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.” He goes on, “We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution.”

In his j’accuse, Mattis excoriates the president for setting Americans against one another.
“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,” Mattis writes. “We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.”

He goes on to contrast the American ethos of unity with Nazi ideology. “Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that ‘The Nazi slogan for destroying us … was “Divide and Conquer.” Our American answer is “In Union there is Strength.”’ We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.” ...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...ization/612640/


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#104

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 15:31
von Maga-neu | 25.526 Beiträge | 89765 Punkte

Hans Bergman gefällt das
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#105

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 15:38
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...1ac&oe=5EFFA8D5

"...Ist es das, was aus einer brutalen Tötung eines Menschen entstehen sollte - ein "Pro und Contra Plünderungen"? ..."
-Margarete Stokowski-



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#106

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 15:47
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

America’s Generals Must Stand Up to Trump
Our military leaders are willing to take a bullet for this country. But are they prepared to take a pink slip?

... The president raves of “vicious dogs” and “ominous weapons” while ensconced in a blast-proof basement. Angered by cable-newscasts noting that fact, he had armored and helmeted police sweep a park of peaceful protesters before a curfew, using smoke grenades, flash bangs, and the threat of batons. All this so that he could stand before a church that he could not enter and where he was not welcome, holding the book that he has probably never read and cannot understand, and whose precepts are a reproach to the life he has led. He is a malignant, empty human being.

But he is the commander in chief, and he does exult in violence wielded by uniformed men at a safe distance from himself. It is why he Twitter-screeches “Domination!” and yells at governors to throw away restraint in suppressing demonstrations or riots. It is why he urged police officers to slam suspects’ heads into cars. It is why he threatens to take over the job of law enforcement with the one organization that could do so: the United States armed forces. ...

... What this means is that, de facto, some of the restraint on Trump’s abuse of the enormous reserves of physical force at his disposal rests with the leaders of the American military. They have, to a person, taken oaths to uphold the Constitution, and they mean them. But this is where a very different kind of courage is going to be needed. ...

... This is a much tougher test. Arguably, the current secretary of defense has already failed it, by talking about “dominating the battle space” in reference to the law-enforcement challenge of the moment. As we have already seen in this presidency, there are generals who, when confronted with the physical reality of a president and the environs of the Oval Office, succumb to the same impulse to defer, appease, and agree that has left the senatorial GOP a moral shambles.

Every appearance in uniform, every word out of the mouth of a senior military leader, at this point has consequences. While these men and women are not the only or even the prime safeguards of American freedoms, they constitute an important line of protection. And if they are willing to take a bullet for the country, they need to be entirely prepared to take obscenity-laced tirades and a pink slip for it. If they are not, far worse things may follow than what we have already seen.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...lations/612589/


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#107

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 16:17
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

Pentagon chief opposes Trump threat to deploy military at protests
The US defence secretary has opposed Donald Trump’s threatened use of the Insurrection Act to allow active duty troops to be deployed in American cities,

Mark Esper was speaking to journalists in the Pentagon amid mounting disquiet about the increasingly militarized response to the George Floyd protests, and confusion over the role of the troops.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020...deploy-military


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#108

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 16:18
von Maga-neu | 25.526 Beiträge | 89765 Punkte

Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #105
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/101662263_256978449056011_9122799484923805696_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=ZH3Gkmv-8jIAX9_BQto&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=961fb3b6dd09cb82c4d2f33cadce41ac&oe=5EFFA8D5

"...Ist es das, was aus einer brutalen Tötung eines Menschen entstehen sollte - ein "Pro und Contra Plünderungen"? ..."
-Margarete Stokowski-
Das Pro überlassen wir Margaretchen und dir. :-)


Folgenden Mitgliedern gefällt das: Hans Bergman und Landegaard
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#109

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 16:19
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

William Barr’s Vast, Nameless Army Is Being Brought To Bear On D.C. Protesters
Federal law enforcement officers are operating on American streets without identification, which experts say breeds a culture of impunity.

Just a few hundred feet north of the White House on Wednesday afternoon, armed agents of the federal government, dressed in a patchwork of colors and protective gear, stared down peaceful protesters demonstrating for Black lives. Yet what was perhaps most alarming was what was not visible on many of the officers: any insignia revealing their identity or even the name of the agency they work for.

Some members of the Drug Enforcement Administration and FBI stationed throughout downtown Washington wore outfits that at least identified their agency, even if they weren’t wearing name tags that identified them personally. But the police line just north of the White House on Wednesday afternoon featured a patchwork of colors and agents wearing generic outfits ― sometimes what appeared to be just T-shirts under their protective gear that gave no indication of even their department or military branch.

Attorney General William Barr is leading this aggressive response that has brought in an alphabet soup of law enforcement agencies to guard federal property and suppress unrest: FBI; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF); the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA); the U.S. Marshals; and the federal Bureau of Prisons. Those Department of Justice forces join Homeland Security officers, the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department, the Capitol Police, the Federal Protective Service, the Secret Service and the District of Columbia National Guard.

Bringing in so many law enforcement agencies has the potential to create problems ― each has its own culture, practices and command structures. Allowing federal law enforcement to operate with anonymity all but eliminates accountability when force is inevitably used against demonstrators. Critics say it also breeds government distrust and is reminiscent of authoritarian regimes.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/william-b...skip=1591267361


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#110

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 16:23
von Maga-neu | 25.526 Beiträge | 89765 Punkte

Ich verstehe nicht, was die Haltung des US-Militärs in diesem Zusammenhang für eine Rolle spielt. Der Präsident kann das Militär nicht einsetzen. Aktive Offiziere dürfen sich nicht über den Oberbefehlshaber äußern (ehemalige Offiziere wie Mattis dürfen das natürlich tun). Und ein Putsch ist nicht zu erwarten: Kein Offizier hat jemals gegen einen Präsidenten geputscht - das ist die USA, nicht Pakistan oder Nigeria: Nicht George McClellan gegen den von ihm verachteten "Gorilla" im Weißen Haus und nicht General McArthur gegen Harry Truman, der seiner Ansicht nach den Koreakrieg falsch führte. Das letzte Wort über diese Präsidentschaft haben die US-Bürger. Und was deren Urteil angeht, wäre ich mir nicht sicher...


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#111

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 16:26
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

Here’s an example of how white privilege sounds.

You keep saying “its horrible that an innocent black man was killed, but destroying property has to stop”

Try saying “it’s horrible that property is being destroyed, but killing innocent black men has to stop.”

Mollie Mitchell


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#112

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 16:26
von Hans Bergman | 18.161 Beiträge | 54708 Punkte

Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #105
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/101662263_256978449056011_9122799484923805696_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=ZH3Gkmv-8jIAX9_BQto&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=961fb3b6dd09cb82c4d2f33cadce41ac&oe=5EFFA8D5

"...Ist es das, was aus einer brutalen Tötung eines Menschen entstehen sollte - ein "Pro und Contra Plünderungen"? ..."
-Margarete Stokowski-

Die Frauen, denen er nicht mehr die Pistole in den Bauch drücken kann, können jedenfalls aufatmen. Ich habe einfach nichts übrig für Leute, die Gewalt anwenden, wenn sie nicht dazu dient, andere dadurch zu schützen.
Da überlasse ich das Mitleid den Angehörigen.



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#113

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 16:27
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte
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#114

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 16:47
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

Why The Killing of George Floyd Sparked an American Uprising
The killing of George Floyd was shocking. But to be surprised by it is a privilege African Americans do not have.

A black person is killed by a police officer in America at the rate of more than one every other day. Floyd’s death followed those of Breonna Taylor, an emergency medical technician shot at least eight times inside her Louisville, Ky., home by plain-clothes police executing a no-knock warrant, and Ahmaud Arbery, killed in a confrontation with three white men as he jogged through their neighborhood in Brunswick, Ga. Even Floyd’s anguished gasps were familiar, the same words Eric Garner uttered on a Staten Island street corner in 2014: “I can’t breathe.”

Yet the timing and cruelty of Floyd’s death, captured in a horrific video that shows the white Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin casually kneeling on the victim’s neck, has spurred a national uprising. Since Floyd died on May 25, demonstrations have erupted in scores of cities across the country as veteran activists and newfound allies alike rally to the cause of racial justice. The vast majority of the protests have been peaceful, with simple demands handwritten on torn pieces of cardboard. Enough is enough. Stop killing us. Justice for George Floyd. Those pleas have resonated around the world, producing expressions of solidarity from Europe to New Zealand.

The protests have also triggered civic unrest in America at a scale not seen since the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. in 1968. Protesters burned a police precinct in Minneapolis, torched cop cars in Los Angeles and Atlanta, and dodged plumes of tear gas from Tulsa, Okla., to Madison, Wis. By June 2, the National Guard had been activated in at least 28 states, and dozens of cities had imposed curfews to quell looting, arson and spasms of violence. Militarized police surged cruisers into crowds, fired rubber bullets at reporters and beat citizens peacefully exercising First Amendment rights.

For 2½ months, America has been paralyzed by a plague, its streets eerily empty. Now pent-up energy and anxiety and rage have spilled out. COVID-19 laid bare the nation’s broader racial inequities. About 13% of the U.S. population are African Americans. But according to CDC data, 22% of those with COVID-19, and 23% of those who have died from it, are black. Some 44% of African Americans say they have lost a job or have suffered household wage loss, and 73% say they lack an emergency fund to cover expenses, according to the Pew Research Center. “It’s either COVID is killing us, cops are killing us or the economy is killing us,” says Priscilla Borkor, a 31-year-old social worker who joined demonstrations in Brooklyn on May 29. ...

...Even before Floyd’s death, race relations in America were regressing. Trump has emboldened a burgeoning white-supremacist movement. Hate-crime violence reached a 16-year high in 2018. Roughly two-thirds of Americans told Pew Research Center last year that expressions of racism have grown more common during his term. “There is literally a brewing civil war that is happening,” says Alicia Garza, one of the founders of Black Lives Matter. ...
https://time.com/5847967/george-floyd-protests-trump/

Ein langer Artikel, den es sich aber zu lesen lohnt. Natuerlich nur fuer den, der den Inhalt auch begreifen kann, bzw. will.



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#115

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 18:22
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Probably the only thing Barack Obama & I have in common is that we both had the honor of firing Jim Mattis, the world’s most overrated General.
I asked for his letter of resignation, & felt great about it.
His nickname was “Chaos”, which I didn’t like, & changed to “Mad Dog”...

...His primary strength was not military, but rather personal public relations.
I gave him a new life, things to do, and battles to win, but he seldom “brought home the bacon”.
I didn’t like his “leadership” style or much else about him, and many others agree.
Glad he is gone!
8:02 PM · Jun 3, 2020

ALASTAIR CAMPBELL@campbellclaret
Replying to @realDonaldTrump
The only thing you have in common is that you have both been presidents.
He honoured the office. You disgrace it.
He made America respected. You do the opposite.
@BorisJohnson @Nigel_Farage your last 2 British defenders.
3:31 AM · Jun 4, 2020

HawaiiDelilah@HawaiiDelilah
Replying to @realDonaldTrump

Lie 1. You didn't fire him; Mattis resigned.
Lie 2. His nickname preceded you.
Truth: "We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership." - Gen. Mattis
10:29 PM · Jun 3, 2020

Chidi@ChidiNwatu
Replying to @realDonaldTrump
General Mattis is a Marine Corps general - 44 years in the Marine Corps - commanded forces in the Persian Gulf War, the War in Afghanistan, and the Iraq War.

This is the man a draft-dodging bunker-boy is attempting to demean.
8:05 PM · Jun 3, 2020



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#116

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 18:26
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

Joe Walsh@WalshFreedom
Trump DESPERATELY wants rioting & looting. He can punch back against all that.
Trump is SCARED TO DEATH of peaceful protesting. Because he can’t punch back against this:
8:50 PM · Jun 3, 2020



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#117

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 18:52
von Maga-neu | 25.526 Beiträge | 89765 Punkte

Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #113
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/101526490_10157572879552893_4648734642545885184_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=lhd1NwwCi3YAX9nzEhI&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=ee2aa741076659ce868e870d6aebebeb&oe=5EFE194D



Ich habe nicht auf Martin Luther King geschossen. Und James Earl Ray ist nicht "the white people".


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#118

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 18:56
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

Americans' views shift on racial discrimination - CBS News poll
As thousands protest, their message is getting across. Comparing views at this moment to decades of CBS News polling, today we see more people — both white and black — saying racial discrimination affects both treatment by police and chances of getting ahead. And a declining number see progress in getting rid of it.

Where Americans had once shown increasing optimism about ending discrimination against blacks, those sentiments have turned downward lately, back toward levels we saw in the 1990s.

Over the years, this poll has asked Americans if there's been real progress against discrimination since the passage of landmark civil rights reforms in the 1960s. The view that yes, there has been, was generally — if slowly — on the upswing from the early 1990s through 2014. It declined some in July 2015 and has now dropped further. ...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/racial-disc...-cbs-news-poll/


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#119

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 19:20
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

Lynching is not a federal crime in the US, Sen. Rand Paul stands in the way
Lawmakers have tried to outlaw the act nearly 200 times.

Lynching is still not a federal crime in the United States, despite nearly 200 attempts by lawmakers to make it so. Now, as the nation grapples with the death of George Floyd, one lawmaker is standing in the way of allowing the historic passage of a bill that would outlaw lynchings: Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lynching...dufT9UZ3CJY657M


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#120

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 21:01
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

Denver police officer fired for "Let's start a riot" post during George Floyd protest
A Denver police officer was fired Tuesday for posting a photo this weekend of himself and two other officers in tactical gear with the caption "Let's start a riot" in the middle of demonstrations over the killing of George Floyd. Officer Thomas McClay was fired for violating the department's social media policy.

McClay was terminated just a day after an internal affairs investigation was launched. The department's social media policy which bars officers from making posts that could impair the department's "working relationships" or the performance of their duties.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/thomas-mccl...-floyd-protest/


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#121

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 21:56
von Hans Bergman | 18.161 Beiträge | 54708 Punkte

Merkwürdigerweiser habe ich noch kein Video oder Bild gesehen, das zu der Niederbringung geführt hat.
Könnte den Polizisten ein "ich ergebe mich" so aufgebracht haben, dass er ihn auf den Boden warf?



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#122

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 22:40
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

Zitat von Hans Bergman im Beitrag #121
Merkwürdigerweiser habe ich noch kein Video oder Bild gesehen, das zu der Niederbringung geführt hat.
Könnte den Polizisten ein "ich ergebe mich" so aufgebracht haben, dass er ihn auf den Boden warf?

Und noch immer bemueht sich Bergmann krampfhaft, unbedingt was exkulpierendes fuer den Cop zu finden. Irgendwas. :-)

Verstaendlich. Schliesslich haengen ja auch die Rassismusvorwuerfe, die derzeitige Rassismusdiskussion und die Begruendung fuer die derzeitig laufenden Auseinandersetzungen daran.



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#123

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 23:14
von Landegaard | 17.203 Beiträge | 33886 Punkte

Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #105
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/101662263_256978449056011_9122799484923805696_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=ZH3Gkmv-8jIAX9_BQto&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=961fb3b6dd09cb82c4d2f33cadce41ac&oe=5EFFA8D5

"...Ist es das, was aus einer brutalen Tötung eines Menschen entstehen sollte - ein "Pro und Contra Plünderungen"? ..."
-Margarete Stokowski-


Das müsste eher Margarete beantworten können. Wie all jene, die die brutale Tötung eines Menschen zum Anlass nahmen, ein Pro für Plünderungen rauszuhauen. Wenn sie nicht begriffen hat, dass sie diejenige ist, die damit diese Debatte begonnen hat, erklärt das, dass sie fragt, was die Absicht für das ist, was sie tat.

Ich würde mir dann aber wünschen, dass sie an ihrem Verstand arbeitet, anstatt ihre Umwelt mit derlei Fragen zu traktieren.



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#124

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 23:25
von Willie | 28.433 Beiträge | 137868 Punkte

Zitat von Landegaard im Beitrag #123
Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #105
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/101662263_256978449056011_9122799484923805696_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=ZH3Gkmv-8jIAX9_BQto&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=961fb3b6dd09cb82c4d2f33cadce41ac&oe=5EFFA8D5

"...Ist es das, was aus einer brutalen Tötung eines Menschen entstehen sollte - ein "Pro und Contra Plünderungen"? ..."
-Margarete Stokowski-


Das müsste eher Margarete beantworten können. Wie all jene, die die brutale Tötung eines Menschen zum Anlass nahmen, ein Pro für Plünderungen rauszuhauen. Wenn sie nicht begriffen hat, dass sie diejenige ist, die damit diese Debatte begonnen hat, erklärt das, dass sie fragt, was die Absicht für das ist, was sie tat.

Ich würde mir dann aber wünschen, dass sie an ihrem Verstand arbeitet, anstatt ihre Umwelt mit derlei Fragen zu traktieren.



Machen sie sich keinen Kopf deswegen, Sie verstehen die Zusammenhaenge sowieso nicht.


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#125

RE: Polizeigewalt, Rioting und Rassismus in USA

in Politik 04.06.2020 23:30
von Landegaard | 17.203 Beiträge | 33886 Punkte

Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #122
Zitat von Hans Bergman im Beitrag #121
Merkwürdigerweiser habe ich noch kein Video oder Bild gesehen, das zu der Niederbringung geführt hat.
Könnte den Polizisten ein "ich ergebe mich" so aufgebracht haben, dass er ihn auf den Boden warf?

Und noch immer bemueht sich Bergmann krampfhaft, unbedingt was exkulpierendes fuer den Cop zu finden. Irgendwas. :-)

Verstaendlich. Schliesslich haengen ja auch die Rassismusvorwuerfe, die derzeitige Rassismusdiskussion und die Begruendung fuer die derzeitig laufenden Auseindersetzungen daran.



Tatsächlich bemühte sich Bergmann nicht um "irgendwas exkulpierendes für den Cop", sondern stellte fest, keine Informationen zu haben, wie die Situation war.

Daran hängt dann tatsächlich die Begründung, ob da aus rein rassistischer Motivation (und keiner möglichen anderen) gehandelt wurde oder nicht.

Für diese Einschätzung braucht es nun mal konkretes Wissen um das Geschehen. Schon aus der Aussage, er habe die nicht zu schließen, er wolle "krampfhaft unbedingt was exkulpierendes für den Cop finden" sagt doch eher, dass Sie genau das für das Schlimmste halten, was passieren könnte.

Margarete würde nun sicher betroffen fragen, ob das brutale Töten eines Schwarzen in dieser Debatte enden sollte.

Ich kann Hans da nur empfehlen, sich das Video anzuschauen. Es wird die Frage beantworten, ob es einen Grund gab, Floyd so zu behandeln, dass er nun tot ist. Dem Video ist keiner zu entnehmen.



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